Es verdad, parece aquel chiste que decia "España una, grande y libre: pq si hubiera otra todo el mundo se iría a la otra, etc... " Pero dónde ir? Ayer leí que los europeos de poder cambiar de país, escogerían España; ya ves, auqnue supongo que les suena por el cachondeo, jajaj!!

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Te doy toda la razón en cuanto a las conclusiones del meme. ¿Dónde nos deportaríamos? Porque muchas veces en las sociedades más avanzadas es donde se dan los mayores problemas sociales, como por ejemplo racismo, etc...

En cuanto a lo de la educación llevas toda la razón, es uno de los temas que trataré algún día en el blog, porque me parece un tema muy serio y muy grave en España. Y creo que se falla desde la base...

El tema de la política no es santo de mi devoción, pero tengo mi opinión como todos, y pienso que mientras cada uno siga pensando en si mismo y no se preocupen por el todos, seguirá habiendo el mismo problema.

Un beso. Lo mismo me animo y lo hago.

Gracias wapetona, pero...el meme hay que pasarlo ;-)...

Besicos y muy buenas respuestas, yo me "deportaría" al país de núnca jamás ;-)))))

Te acabo de dejar algo abajo, pero seguro, quier decir, SEGURO, que más tarde paso para decir algo sobre esto.

Otro.

Ya... Pero es que nunca sé a quien pasarlo, prefiero que lo continúe quien le apetezca.

Si el meme es lo suficientemente interesante seguirá creciendo. Si no, se rompe la cadena. Como en otras cosas ;)

De acuerdo con todas tus opiniones. A mi lo que más me indigna es el tema de la vivienda, el hecho de que jamás podré vivir en una casa de propiedad decente. Y es que si te metes a pagar una hipoteca por 40 años, probablemente será por una casa construida tan mal que ya veremos si sobrevive más que la hipoteca.

y esa cancion?... yo no me iria nunca de este pais porque como bien tu dices en otros lugares tendran los mismos problemas o mayores q nosotros; tambien hay cosas buenas aqui, asi que o me echan o me quedo, muak.

A mí me costaría mucho largarme de este país, creo que en otros sitios tendrán los mismos problemas o más... pero comparto prácticamente todas tus opiniones. Me ha llamado especialmente la atención la definición de "Catolicismo por defecto".

Yo también huiría de los prejuicios territoriales, de la crispación política y de la "televisión de calidad" que tenemos. Un besazo Tam!!

1. Hoy por hoy, no huiría del país; aunque reconozco que hemos pasado por épocas en las que no me hubiera quedado más remedio. En serio, si me fuera a otro país, seré más con el ánimo de conocer otras culturas, más que con el ánimo de huir.

2. No sé si algunos pecados son intrínsecos a nuestro país. Pero en todo caso, siento un especial asco por las muestras cotidianas de intolerancia, machismo, homofobia, rechazo a lo diverso, etc.

3. Coincido contigo en que me desprendería de las crueldades a animales en las fiestas populares, y del monopolio del catolicismo. Además, cambiaría la tradición de la jornada laboral partida, y de las dos horas del almuerzo. Y... no sé, seguro que hay más cosas por ahí. Pero vamos, que no vivimos tan mal.

Y un besazo muy fuerte, sólo porque sí.

Discrepo en una pequeña cosa (para variar). Lo de "adonde ir" me parece otro tema (¿para otro meme?) pero este de "por qué te irías" me parece lo suficientemente interesante y dura como para no mezclarlo con otras ideas.

Me parece que me lo apunto para mi blog, así que no voy a contestar aquí, contestaré, después de la publicidad... :D

Besotes Tam!!

Pueeeees... ufff... está difícil...

1. Estoy con Alabas en que más que viajar para huir lo que haría sería viajar para conocer. Pero, ciñéndonos al texto de la pregunta, no creo que haya nada tan grave en España como para obligarme a marcharme, porque la mala situación del medio ambiente no afecta sólo a España, sino al planeta entero, y por ahora no es barato ir a Marte e instalarse allí.
Por el machismo, más que una cuestión para echarme es una cuestión para quedarse. Quedarse y luchar por cambiarlo y que nadie tenga que irse por algo así. Y lo mismo puedo decir de la educación, trabajar para mejorarla.

2. El sistema político necesita muchos, muchísimos cambios, como el sistema de representación del ciudadano en el Parlamento, y la calidad de la clase política, pues hay muchos (demasiados) que están para recoger los beneficios y no hacen nada por la gente ni por sus ciudades.
El sistema económico ¿necesita cambios? Abogo por el libre mercado, la libre competencia y la abolición de los monopolios. Si hablamos de la situación riqueza/pobreza, es un tema difícil, porque siempre ha habido esa diferencia, y en una sociedad con un sistema económico basado en el mercado y el capitalismo es algo inevitable.
Sobre la sociedad... tenemos lo que nos merecemos. Ni más ni menos.

3.La masacre de toros no es cultura, es tortura. El catolicismo no es cultura, es sectarismo. Un cantante no es cultura.
La historia del toreo es cultura de España, es innegable que forma parte de nuestra tradición, pero que sea tradición no significa que sea inamovible.
Las manifestaciones religiosas (Semana Santa, for example) son cultura, el catolicismo no.
La música es cultura. Es innegable que el flamenco, la rumba catalana, el pop, el rock, son cultura. Lo que hacen los diversos representantes del mundo de la música no es cultura, difunden la cultura, que a pesar de lo que creen, no les pertenece.

Hace poco ha salido un informe sobre las preferencias de los europeos a la hora de elegir un lugar para vivir, y el lugar de preferencia más elegido es España. Pero reconozcamos que es más por las cosas "pequeñas" por así decirlo, como el clima, la simpatía y las ganas de fiesta de la gente que ellos creen que hay aquí (en Europa creen que aquí estamos todo el día de juerga :P), que por cuestiones más "importantes" como la economía o la educación.

Argh, siento el rollazo, nena.
Besotes ;-)

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Hola guapa, veamos, yo como siempre llevo la contraria (dejando a un lado que el meme me parece un tanto coñazo) diré un motivo por el que sí me quedaría en España, y no es otro que la gastronomía (qué le vamos a hacer, uno es muy glotón, jaja).

Besicos para comer.

La verdad es que el meme se las trae. Yo no suelo hablar de política porque no me gusta. Pero está claro que en España hay cosas que cogean y posiblemente, siempre lo hagan.

Estoy deacuerdo contigo en varias cosas, pero el tema de la educación es algo que me da hasta miedo. Cómo pueden ser así los niños de ahora? de verdad que hay cosas que se me escapan...

Un besoteee

Interesante meme.

Opino lo mismo que tú. Y la pregunta retórica del final es buena para hacernos reflexionar.


Un besazo, tocayuca ;)

Pues entre q no me gustan los memes, y q la política tampoco..., y este meme es un poco sobre política..., pues como q no voy a hacerlo... Pero puedo decir q estoy de acuerdo contigo en cuanto al tema de la hipocresía y como lo han hecho algunos políticos, y tb estoy en contra de las corridas de toros.
Besotes

Hipocresía. Doble moral.

joder que de gente sensata pasa por aqui. Y yo que equivocado, jejeje.

Bueno la verdad "ejque" cuando vuelves de "otro" pais es cuando ves un monton de defectos en el tuyo. como la conduccion, el reciclaje de basuras, el orden en lo ssitios publicos, o simplemente la educacion civica que tienen en otros paises.

Creo que todo lo que tu has dicho y otros mas han dicho, es lo que yo diria.

Pero de momento me quedo, que huir es de cobardes.

salu2

Dude has apuntado algo que me parece superinteresante, por no alargar tanto el post no lo he escrito y esperaba que alguien lo dijera. Gracias!

sabes que tam, por otros lados la cosa esta igual. al menos por toda esta tierra sudaka. yo creo que lo mejor no es huir, sino quedarse a pelearla. los que huyen van y arruinan las cosas en el pais que caen. vease argentina con el malon de europeos que cayeron despues de la 2da guerra y vease ahora europa con la cantidad de latinoamericanos que llegaron en los ultimos años. saludos.

Me iría a Holanda, que es el otro país de Europa donde puedo casarme con mi novia ;)

Ánimo Tammy

He contestado escuetamente en casa de vívora, pero pordría adjuntar perfectamente todas tus respuestas, no podría estar más de acuerdo.
Besucos mi niña!

1. ¿Qué cosas tiene España que te animarían a irte a vivir a otro país si tuvieras la oportunidad?

La excesiva religiosidad y derechización de los corazones.

La mediocridad supina machista y arrogante de una población que se cree el ombligo del mundo (“Como aquí no se vive en ningún lado” o “spain is diferent” , tirando a bien)

La inmadurez social apropósito de la mujer, la sexualidad, la inmigración y los derechos e igualdades civiles.


2. ¿Qué te resulta insoportable en la sociedad / sistema económico / política / cotidianidad española?
Que el árido, yermo y desolado sur de España levante campos de golf por doquier; que Marina Door ciudad de vacaciones gaste mas agua que la ciudad de Bruselas (donde por cierto, llueve y les sobra)

La desinformación y manipulación de algunos medios

Estar en contra del dialogo como base para solucionar los conflictos.

La corrupción, especulación y robo indiscriminado de la que se jactan los bienes patrimoniales de un determinado sector de la población.



3. ¿De qué huirías de la cultura de este país?

De los toros
Del catolicismo
De la COPE
Del los programas musicales de Antena 3 televisión
De los Morancos
Del culebrón Pantoja-Muñoz
De los tertulianos del corazón
De La casera con vino
De Terelu campos…………………….

Y pensar que acá en Chile muchos desean ir a España, creo que tienen un bagaje cultural tremendo, tienen un arte muy interesante, tremendas propuestas arquitectónicas en intervenciones en sus ciudades, tienen al Gaudí, Picasso, Dalí, y a tantos más....en todo caso te puedes venir a Valparaíso, Chile......buscanos en google earth.......te esperamos.........

¡A mi tampoco me hacen gracia Los Morancos Itoitz, qué idea me has dado! ¿Muñoz y Terelu cultura? Me ha encantado ;D

¡Bienvenido Arqcvm! Me encantaría visitar Chile aunque debo reconocer que pr circunstancias tengo debilidad por Argentina, oajlá este verano pueda ir a Buenos Aires. Voy a cotillear un poco Valparaíso ¿De allí eres tú? :)

A propósito de tu comentario Sandry (¡¡qué sorpresa más buena!!) añado el bochorno que sentí cuando salieron algunos funcionarios en contra de nueva ley de bodas negándose a casar personas del mismo sexo. De nuevo HIPOCRESÍA, ¿por qué esconden en excusas su homofobia?

3. ¿De qué huirías de la cultura de este país?

- Masacre de toros.
- Catolicismo como religión "por defecto"
- Representantes musicales, ehem...




No puedo estar más de acuerdo!!!

Diferencias sociales, a los pobres nos hacen pagar hasta por respirar y a los ricos les regalan todo. Así luego se pueden comprar los juicios.

A mi me encanta mi país. Y mi comunidad autónoma, y mi ciudad (que nadie se enfade!). No he viajado mucho por ahí, pero creo que tenemos suerte de vivir donde vivimos. Por huír, huiría del anuncio de los chiquiprecios.
Tam, tú eres del país, sólo por eso yo me quedaba por aquí ...... ;) Un abrazo!

yo me iba a vivir a broto mañica... aunque x allí también son de toma y daca, pero yo a pasear por entre las montañas como heidi, pedro y la cabrita de clara...

para estos temas políticos sociales soy muy punki :P y me pongo a cantar la polla records sin parar.
si tengo que reflexionar sacaré a relucir de ortega y gasset la rebelión de las masas.
y también te digo la verdad que a los que citas por culo habría que darles por detrás.

besico niña rubia tamaruka.

TE has librado¡¡, no me acordaba de que tu ya habías hecho el meme este y te había nominado yo, pero he rectificado cuando he vuelto a tu blog para avisarte, jajaja!

Más besos.

Pero Jio, Broto está dentro de España (al menos de momento). La idea de irme con las cabras al monte me gusta, me gusta... ¿Más que al mar o a una isla? Dicen que en marte hay agua. Es otra opción.

Iago qué cabeza tienes :D

Aqui.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seychelles.

Desde que vi en un documenta que apagan una hora la tele al dia para cenar (decreto de ley) estoy pensando en largarme a alguna islita cerca.
Huir? prefiero quedarme y pelear... Un vez huí y para nada sirvió

A mí hay muchas cosas que me indignan en nuestro país y que no largo (ni aquí ni en mi blog) por no meterme en follones de disputas políticas. Pero no creo que marcharme del país fuera la solución: como dice el refrán, en todas partes cuecen habas y en otros países tendrán otros (o parecidos) problemas.

En cuanto a torturas animales creo que, afortunadamente, el país va cambiando en eso (una viene de un lugar de España en que eso de los toros no gusta nada así que, para mí resulta tan asombroso como para un guiri el que la gente de esta península parezca no entender la fiesta si no hay toros)

Arf.... arf... menudos rollos suelto :D

Besos

¿Y por qué, en lugar de autoexiliarnos, no deportamos a los que hacen algunas facetas de la vida tan insoportable?

Insisto sobre el tema que trajo Dude: la civilidad.

Este verano pasado estuve en Suiza, y me fijé en todos esos detalles que hacen que aquí se le tenga por un país civilizado. Observé comportamientos en la calle, trenes, colas, etc. y me dije: pues no es para tanto, es gente normal.

Fué cuando volví cuando caí en la cuenta de que los que no éramos normales éramos nosotros.

Besillo.

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo, Alabastro. Dude tiene mucha razón. Somos unos marranos, así expresado abierta y alegrementemente.

¡Soltero y papá bienvenido! Entras por la puerta grande con una idea utópica pero maravillosa :)

Nanny guapetona, anda que no nos molan tus "rollos" ni ná ;)

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